Is small fay kosher for yud
often we tend to decide if a letter is kosher based on the surrounding letters.I am also posting an image with part of the mezuza
How about the Bais of Uleovdo?
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Not a "khaf"
This gave me a "Safrut smile"... OK, I realise that this is not Ktav STaM, however it is interesting what happens when graphic/font Hebrew becomes too stylised. Case-in-point, a colleague and I were visiting the mayor's office in the Gaza Belt region of Shaar HaNegev (adjoining Sderot). He is new to reading Hebrew and pronounced the welcome sign as " brooning " or " broobing " (instead of the intended " brookhim ". I replied that he was more correct than the graphic designer, as the letter meant to be a " khaf " was closer to a halakhic "Nun" or "Bet", and had this been Ktav STaM, the letter would likely be considered pasul as a "Khaf".
shin in "Alter Rebbe" script
Both the Shulchan Aruch Harav and the Mishnah Brurah use similar terminology when describing the importance of the shin being "pointy" on the bottom and all three branches of the letter shin meeting at a point or "chad" at the bottom of the letter. There is a strong foundation in Halacha for this and for the bottom of the shin to be flat like a moshav (base) is considered questionable (Pri Megadim) and definitely not Kosher Lechatchillah. It is worse if the moshav is very wide, but it is still questionable if it is lechatchillah if there is a thick noticeable base rather than a chad. Even for Sephardim, who lechatchillah make an angular base, it is still important that the base is indeed on a (significant) angle. If the base is flat, even if all three branches of the shin come out of the base connected , as in the top picture, it is problematic. It is worse in the bottom picture below where the right head/ branch comes out of the right part of the base and the m
I know that there are those choshesh with this type of yud and I have seen cases that were possul
ReplyDeletesame as vav with fat head is considered yud rabasi we cans say this is fay zeira. however since at first glance you recognize as a yud maybe viewing from close does not count although its shaped as fay.
ReplyDeletethere is merit to both arguements, however more likely the psak is it's a shaylas tinok. yeshoshua, what does Rav Shammai Gross say?
ReplyDeleteI think if you showed it to a tinuk he would read it as a yud unless he sees it through a microscope
I have gotten shailos which possibly would be taken as a yud however, were considered posul since they were called a chuf katana.
ReplyDeleteIs there a thumb of rule to define when it can be shailos tinok and when it is posul through a Rav?
R' Shammai is unfortunately away now until next Thursday (won't be able to speak then until Friday/Shabbos/Sunday ... depending on how things work out.) I will for sure bring him the shailo at some point.
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I asked R' Shammai. He said the letters before should be covered and the Yud itself should be shown to a tinnok. He pointed out that the Nun is also questionable (before noticing the Yud he thought that's what I was coming to ask.) However he said the Nun is kosher without a shailos tinnok.
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