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Wednesday, August 1, 2012

caf pshuta touching a letter below

There is an issue by the magihim if the edge of a caf [or a nun pshuta] are touching the gag under it, since this may cause the letter to have changed to a bies [or in other cases to a caf, nun cfufa].

I think that here is no shayla, and scraping the negiya is permitted.
a. the ngiya is minor, thinner than the foot, and not the whole width of the foot of the caf, so a clear distinction between the letters was always there.
b. a simple assumption may be made that the sofer started the lamed from the vav protruding above, then continued doing the gag - so there never was a possibilty of it resembling a beis.
c. another simple assumption [even if the sofer did the gag before the vav] that the sofer continued the gag and rounded it downward, so even if picking up the kulmus before finishing the other parts of the lamed, the caf could not have been a beis.


  1. I would tend to disagree with both of these assuptions.
    It seems like the gag was definitely written before the vav (notice the kav haschalah of the gag).
    Also rounding the gag downward wouldn't change the tzuras ois beis. (even if it would change, that would be k'ein chok toiches - see Lishkas Hasofer chakira gimel, where he discusses a lamed that goes into the inside of a daled)

  2. I agree with Michoel,the only reason to ok it would be that the negia is slight enough that it does nort resemble a bais.In this case its hard to say kosher.

  3. At the very moment of the nagia, I think most tinokot would not call it a chof. In other words, whether the neck of the lamed was already written or not, if we cover up the tail of the lamed that is beyond the nagia, most tinokot are not going to call it a chof. It doesn't matter if it changed to another letter, or is just some unknown form. But a chof it's not. So the continued stroke that happened afterwards made it into a chof, and that's a problem of shelo kisidron as well as keayn chok tochos.


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