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Tuesday, September 4, 2012

two questions

1) Does anyone know the origin of the pay kefulah, and which areas / periods this was common in?

2) Batim question (Reb Moshe): I have a secular Jew who is very attached to his tefillin -  he has the smaller pshutim older style batim . The parshiyos are competely unkosher but he wants to keep the batim. Problem is my cheapest parshiyios are too big -  they stick into the titurah. The titurah is made of those two pieces of pressed leather. assuming they are glued to the bayis and the parsha sits entirely in the bayis and inside this part which is glued to the bayis, while this is certainly not mehudar, I assume it's definitely still kosher (when glued).

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  1. 1) pai kefula mentioned in rambam and other rishonim. so it is at least 1000 years old (and according to sefer tagim is from kabala from moshe rabeinu)
    it is found both in old ashkenazic, temani sefer toras. mentioned in kabala sefarim in regard to "pen" in tefilin and mezuza.
    according to what the oilam present the tefilin and sefer tora of Besht and Maggid had pae'in kfulos in designated words.

    2) In yad bshaas hadchak hagadol. bshel rosh definitly pasul even bshaas hadchak.

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    1. Torah Sh'lema Vol 29 gives two version of where the peh k'fulah should be written through the Torah - one Ashkenazi and one Teymani and several variants forms. Several sifrey I have checked have many versions (e.g. pehs within pehs, spirals or squared spirals). The Teymani tikkun I have preserves all of these along with other traditions no longer in the Ashkenazi sifrey.I am given to understand that the spiral represents the Eyn Sof in a kabbalistic way.

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  2. Im talking only in yad

    In sefer zichron eliyohu ( and this is from memory so I may be wrong) he seems to say its kosher by yad even lechatchillah

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  3. I don't know what the Zicarom Eliyahu writes. I'll see later.
    But I think it is only kosher bshaas hadchak hagadol because the bayis at that area is not the same ribua as the bayis above, so it isn't realy considered the bayis.

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    1. Bedrech klal thosh leather pieces are not meubad lishmaa, its regular commercial leather

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    2. First of all, doing it lishma is an extra job and more costly, so why should they do it if they don't have to.

      2nd, we got some leather pieces from a retired dakos batim macher, and on the leather was stamped "made in argentina". It seems to be regular commercial shoe-repair leather.

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  4. You culd roll up the parsha like a shel rosh then put it in on an angel it will give u a little more space.

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    1. rabbi zirkind zol zein gezunt gave me that eitzah years ago although you need a really large challal for that to be effective

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