akev beis entering a vav

I think this situation is a shaylas tinok, because there is a strangeness in this vav, it is square and tilted a bit, and together with the akev entering a bit might be mistaken by a tinok as a hey. But if the tinok read it correctly it is kosher.
In order to correctly ask a tinok, the body of the beis left of the vav should be covered.


  1. Rav friedlander told me not to be choshesh an eikev of a beis going into the challal of a vov, reish or daled...

    1. yes one should not to be choshesh a shailas tinok on an eikev entering the challal if the rosh of the vav is the shiur of an ov kulmas

      here however the issue is not even the eikev of the beis.
      the issue is with the vav itself. the rosh is more than an ov kulmus putting it into a reish/vav shailas tinkok, l'aniyas da'ati

  2. I have examples that R' Shammai said were kosher (although he has mentioned that in some cases it would be a shailos tinnok.) I will post soon. I will bli neder bring this and post the teshuva.

  3. The Vav is not wide enough to be a shailas tinok. trin the eken down a bit and round the top right of the Vav.

  4. Im not with my sefarim atm but from memory, mishnat hasofer says along the lines of what R Fridlender told R Eli. I think The reason the akev of the bet doesn't pasel the vav bediavad is because the tzura of the bet is complete before the akev enters the vav - hence it was never a hey. Whereas with the rosh of a lamed entering a vav/dalet/reish its different because first it would be a kosher hey (then even possibly a kuf) and then it's made into a lamed which is chak tochot al yedei Ketiva.

    In this case it shouldn't make a difference if the rosh of the vav is shiur mlo kulmus or not (obviously putting the aside the issue of the vav turning into a reish...)


    1. Hi Ari,
      Yes this is the opinion of Keset Hasofer as you wrote.
      But other argue, that there is no difference between a lamed entering a reish, or an ekev of the beis.

    2. Just felt it needs clarity.
      obviously the rosh of the lamed is only comparable to the ekev of the beis when part of the lamed is outside the riesh or daled,
      because its written from the left and started outside the letter...
      so ive been told by Rav Vosner here in Monsey


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