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Tuesday, March 12, 2013
some shailos
samech above?
samech above (both)
this is not a negiya but rather a korov negiya. Is it in any way a sofek shinuy tzurah as a tzadik pshuta?
In terms of sources I think it's Mishnat HaSofer who says if the moshav of a samech is noticeably narrower than the gag, even if it has squared corners (which btw would have to be angles greater than 90 deg anyway) it's kosher...
But Rav Moshe, re the kaf yud - don't we measured spaces compared with the rest of the ktav? Accordingly this Sofer wrote the other spaces between letters much larger and I would think that in reality (not in a blown up photo) the yud kaf would be mamash lo nikar lehedya, in which case would be noteh lipsul if not sheilat tinok? Meaning - if I received that case where it was supposed to be a tzadi I don't think I'd pasel a tikun straight away? Unless your intention is that since its a kaf, the left rosh makes it less likely to be read as a tzadi than if it were say a nun peshuta and that's why you're machshir?
since its a kaf, the left rosh makes it less likely to be read as a tzadi than if it were a nun peshuta, and that's why it is kosher. Indeed if this would be a nun pshuta instead - it would be a big shayla.
It is interesting to note that the SAMEKH has a prickle on the bottom left. This is also the case with many of the old extreme cursive Sephardic Scripts. I have seen a manuscript in R. Yehuda HaLevy's cursive hand dating around 1140 in which this prickle is quite pronounced. This is likewise the case with Rashi's script. Has any one in this forum studied some of these older forms of Hebrew writing and how this & other similar cursive writing features have crept into our block lettering?
samechs kosher.
ReplyDeleteno problem with the caf, I doubt any tinok would read it a zadi.
In terms of sources I think it's Mishnat HaSofer who says if the moshav of a samech is noticeably narrower than the gag, even if it has squared corners (which btw would have to be angles greater than 90 deg anyway) it's kosher...
ReplyDeleteBut Rav Moshe, re the kaf yud - don't we measured spaces compared with the rest of the ktav? Accordingly this Sofer wrote the other spaces between letters much larger and I would think that in reality (not in a blown up photo) the yud kaf would be mamash lo nikar lehedya, in which case would be noteh lipsul if not sheilat tinok? Meaning - if I received that case where it was supposed to be a tzadi I don't think I'd pasel a tikun straight away? Unless your intention is that since its a kaf, the left rosh makes it less likely to be read as a tzadi than if it were say a nun peshuta and that's why you're machshir?
since its a kaf, the left rosh makes it less likely to be read as a tzadi than if it were a nun peshuta, and that's why it is kosher.
DeleteIndeed if this would be a nun pshuta instead - it would be a big shayla.
It is interesting to note that the SAMEKH has a prickle on the bottom left. This is also the case with many of the old extreme cursive Sephardic Scripts. I have seen a manuscript in R. Yehuda HaLevy's cursive hand dating around 1140 in which this prickle is quite pronounced. This is likewise the case with Rashi's script. Has any one in this forum studied some of these older forms of Hebrew writing and how this & other similar cursive writing features have crept into our block lettering?
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