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Wednesday, November 27, 2013

Kesidran by Tagin

Is there a Shitah in Hallacha, that requires when writing mezuzah, not to write the next Ois before finishing Fully the tag. (I believe you can write the tagin later But the question is if all kind of tagin can be done later IS it allowed to be done later Also shatnez getz, and what about kutzo shell yud R"T)

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  1. There is one shita in the rishonim [not accpeted as hallacha] that shatnez getz as well as kotzo shel yud of RT must be csidran.
    The hallacha is that kotz RT [and kal v'chomer] tagim dont have to written csidran.

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  2. I believe the Tikkun Tefillin says that lechatchila one should completely finish each letter before moving on to the next. Also, he says that he "relies on Rashi" and fixes kutzo shel yud, implying that according to RT it is a problem of shelo kesidran. However, we don't pasken like this, as R' Moshe said.

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  3. Also, in his famous letter to the Sofer R' Moshe from Shedlitz, the Brisker Rav asks him not to make any corrections to a letter once he goes on to the next letter. See the Lishkas HaKodesh journal vol. 2 page 44 and the footnotes there.

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  4. In all the cases that our Chachamim permit to correct by expressing that it is "MUTAR" - it's always "MUTAR LECHATECHILLAH," unless differently qualified by them. As such, it is perfectly fine to add TAGIM or a KUTZ of Rabennu Tam, etc. after other letters are written. If one wants to be strict and refrain "TAVO ALECHA BERACHA." However, know that such practice is a CHUMRA and not to be taken as normative HALAKHA.

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  5. In all the cases that our Chachamim permit to correct by expressing that it is "MUTAR" - it's always "MUTAR LECHATECHILLAH," unless differently qualified by them. As such, it is perfectly fine to add TAGIM or a KUTZ of Rabennu Tam, etc. after other letters are written. If one wants to be strict and refrain "TAVO ALECHA BERACHA." However, know that such practice is a CHUMRA and not to be taken as normative HALAKHA.

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  6. Regarding the Chumra not to touch a letter after moving on to the next one: in many cases this was prompted by a Chashash that the Sofer may correct something that IS Shelo Kesidran. (I have been asked to do so in some cases, and I refused the job.)
    On the other hand, I had heard that some hold (Brisker??) that the Tagim may not be created before the entire letter is there - some sort of "internal" Shelo Kesidran - based on the Chazal that Moshe found Hashem being "Kosheir Tagim" ONTO the Osiyos - implying that the Os is already written before Hashem applied the Tagim....

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    1. Although there is an internal csidran in writing each letter, and this justifies what you wrote about makpid doing the tagin only after finishing the [iykar, the] letter, [in addition to the diyuk from the gemara mentioned].
      This is only lechatchila, and many sofrim are not makpid on doing the tagin after finishing the whole letter, even lechatchila.

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    2. One of my teachers of Safrus joking suggested that maybe one day someone will dream up a chumra of not making tagin until after writing the letter based on that Gemara. It looks like that day has actually arrived.
      I certainly never heard of Briskers being makpid on that.

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