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Tuesday, December 30, 2014

Second guessing a tinok



The Nun from hotziyonu has a small kotz coming out the back of the bottom right, possibly a shailos tinok. I felt certain the child would read it as a nun, esp compared to the other gimmels. To my surprise, the tinok read it as a gimmel.

My gut feeling is to show another few tinokim and go with the majority, since I feel the child may have erred on this. However at what point does one decide to negate the original tinok and show it to more than one tinok? Am I doing the right thing by showing it to other tinokim just because he surprised me? He is the tinok I usually use and generally fares well. What does Reb Moshe (or others) think? I never understood the criteria of using multiple tinokim.

8 comments:

  1. If this would happen to me, I would passel because of the tinok.

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  2. I can't make the call based on the image whether it's a shalos tinok (or better or worse) but once asked I'm not that surprised he called it a Gimel so I'd agree that there's no place to try and get a majority to be machshir. (If he identified the nuns and gimels before you asked on this letter then his reading of this nun should stand.)

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  3. Thank you everyone for their response.

    However things are now more complicated.

    The owner of the tefillin wanted the tefillin back quickly, and I took matters into my own hands. Unfortunately, time was not on my side.

    I showed it again to the same tinok. This time he read it as a NUN. I showed it to another tinok, who also read it as a NUN. Satisfied, I finished checking the tefillin and gave them back (obv. I fixed by adding ink).

    I now see everyone's comments and I'm starting to fret. Had I had access to the internet a little sooner I wouldn't have reshown the tinok.

    The question is what to do now. Reb Moshe, you know me, if you think I need to go back to the customer and explain the situation (even though it is somewhat unprofessional) and replace the parshiyos, please tell me, I will do what I need to do.

    Thanks

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  4. Would it have been Kosher if it would have HAD to be a Gimmel?

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  5. probably not since you go after the majority

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