borderline reish / dalet in ches

(This picture is a relatively mild case) but does a wide vov of a ches that is definitely not an outright reish - but may be a shailos tinok if presented on its own (ie not part of a ches) - present any ch'shash whatsoever? I'm asking acc to the S"A Harav who is machmir in the case of a daled or reish (instead of vov or zayin) within a ches. See the ches in the second last
 line above. I've discussed this and even worse cases with several Chabad poskim over the years and have always understood it must be an "outright" reish or daled to be possul. In a sofek (such as the above case or even a little worse)  we would be meikel. (What I mean by meikel is that we don't have to start showing part of the ches to a child to ascertain if it's a vov or a reish etc). I am wondering if anyone has heard otherwise or has heard of such a concept of covering part of the ches and making a shailos tinok on the wider part in question as a way of deciding if the ches is kosher.


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  2. Thanks. That case is a delet hafucha. Would you still be meikel if it was a narrow daled but facing the normal way??

  3. כנראה יש נטיה גדולה להקל [כפי שכתבת בפנים] כאשר רגלי החי"ת עומדים בחוץ, והגג מאורך מעט כלפי צד החטוטרת
    אבל אם הגג מאורך מעבר לרגל כלפי חוץ זה יותר בעיה

    1. So bottom line: it would only really be an issue by the second part of the ches (you rarely see a long backwards vov or zayin in the first part). And if it was in the second part it has to be forward facing, which will usually be a situation where the second zayin extends a little too much to the left only. So then my question remains in that case, if if it is a little wider but not mamash a daled, (eg it would be geder shailos tinok if it was a zayin on its own), would it be possul or does it have to be clearly a dalet.

    2. אני לא חושב שיש כאן מקום כלל לשאלת תינוק. אם זה ממש דלי"ת שלימה [הראוי לדלי"ת בבירור] לדעת אדמו"ר הזקן זה יהא פסול. ולאחרים כשר
      אבל אם זה שאלה על רוחב הגג בין דלי"ת לזיי"ן - אזי בחי"ת יש להכשיר בלי שאלה

      אבל אם גג הד' בולט מכיוון מהחטוטרת החוצה - בזה יש לדון

    3. יישר כח שאתה מעלה נושא חשוב זה לדיון


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