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Not a "khaf"
This gave me a "Safrut smile"... OK, I realise that this is not Ktav STaM, however it is interesting what happens when graphic/font Hebrew becomes too stylised. Case-in-point, a colleague and I were visiting the mayor's office in the Gaza Belt region of Shaar HaNegev (adjoining Sderot). He is new to reading Hebrew and pronounced the welcome sign as " brooning " or " broobing " (instead of the intended " brookhim ". I replied that he was more correct than the graphic designer, as the letter meant to be a " khaf " was closer to a halakhic "Nun" or "Bet", and had this been Ktav STaM, the letter would likely be considered pasul as a "Khaf".
shin in "Alter Rebbe" script
Both the Shulchan Aruch Harav and the Mishnah Brurah use similar terminology when describing the importance of the shin being "pointy" on the bottom and all three branches of the letter shin meeting at a point or "chad" at the bottom of the letter. There is a strong foundation in Halacha for this and for the bottom of the shin to be flat like a moshav (base) is considered questionable (Pri Megadim) and definitely not Kosher Lechatchillah. It is worse if the moshav is very wide, but it is still questionable if it is lechatchillah if there is a thick noticeable base rather than a chad. Even for Sephardim, who lechatchillah make an angular base, it is still important that the base is indeed on a (significant) angle. If the base is flat, even if all three branches of the shin come out of the base connected , as in the top picture, it is problematic. It is worse in the bottom picture below where the right head/ branch comes out of the right part of the base and the m
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ReplyDeleteI think it still has tzuras mem.
ReplyDeleteFrom memory: rabbi stern requires but allows to correct על ידי כתיבה since we need four sides inside.A small inside is ugly but kosher.
I always wondered if scratching is allowed after correction ע"י כתיבה or would it be a form of panim chadashos
Definitely allowed so long as you don't do ponim chadoshos mamash
DeleteDefinitely allowed so long as you don't do ponim chadoshos mamash
DeleteIt's important to note that with respect to the MEM SETUMA the IKAR that determines whether the letter retains is shape is that it be squared on the outside alone. The shape of the inside is NOT a matter of concern as long as the letter is squared on the outside. The concept of it being squared on the inside is only LECHATECHILAH. As such, BEDIEVED, this letter maintains its shape.
ReplyDeleteIf one is worried and insists that it should be corrected על ידי כתיבה then just square it a bit on the inside top right corner and the bottom inside base. However, there is no reason to invalidate the letter if it's fixed by removing the excess ink within the HALLAL, even before correction, as it cannot be considered CHAK TOKHOT.
I don't think Rav Moshe's concern was that the inside isn't square but that perhaps the tzuras Mem was affected/lost. I agree that it wasn't and is kosher and that the inside can be cleaned up.
ReplyDeleteRegarding tzuras haos ,that is deformed on inside only:
ReplyDeletethe sefer mishmeres stam brings a pischei tshuva that is machmir, unfortunately I didn't see this in the pische tshuva.
Regarding missing limb from inside:
Rabbi Silbiger in ksiva tama disagrees with mishmeres stam and holds its kosher.
Rabbi Stern brings this discussion 3 times . page 65,79 and page 91 that if a wall or roof is missing on inside אין לפסול בדיעבד
HERE IS AN INTERESTING STORY: When i was doing shimush for haga I checked 25 mezuzas and I didn't realize that the 2 feet of the tav meet inside and therefore there is no roof. The magia that rechecked after me claimed it was bdieved - we went to Rav Stern where I argued that in ם he writes its kosher so why are you saying now its bdieved- in the next publication he added a piece to his sefer when discussing letter tav where he writes אין לפסול בדיעבד see the sefer page 91 where this discussion is inserted at later time
In any case he told me personally that he holds its bdieved until corrected .
I asked the forum members if it is fixed by adding ink may we then scratch or maybe the members feel it becomes mehudar by scratching. Please post your thoughts