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Tuesday, February 5, 2019
Top heavy Ender Nun
Asked a Tinok, he got all the nuns and zians correct and called this a zian
N.b. those who fix tagin which are not connected properly (or touching slightly at the bottom) by adding a layer of Ink above the head must be very careful when doing this on a nun pshuta because it could extend the rosh enough to affect the proportions and create a problem of a big Zayn..
Same issue with a Zayin. Care must be taken if the top of the rosh will be extended to fix tagin as the regel needs to be more than maleh os ketana of its rosh
This nun is better than the one I posted recently, which while more or less had the initial appearance of a nun because it was longer than the rest of the ksav, it only had a leg of 2x the head even then one posek was machshir. The regel of this one looks like a Nun and seems to have around 2-3/4 kulmusin, in which case I'd not have asked a tinok (and think he can be ignored). Consult a moreh horaah, which should have been done in the first place if you had a shaila. (I confirmed with a moreh horaah that the tinok can be ignored.)
The regel of the nun looks a bit more than 2 1/2 kulmusim. Teorecly Would this be a nun rabosi would do be the correct proportion? If yes should that be enough reason to machshir this nun?
This is not a classic case of ST. It's greater than 2-1/2 and hence is kosher as is. Yes, it looks to be a Nun rabosi and as the proportions are correct it's kosher and a tinok shouldn't have been asked and while he should ask his more horaah, my consultation with a moreh horaah concluded that the child be ignored.
another point to add : even if it were to be only 2-1/2 kulmusim we can use the breicas hamayim brought down in mishnah brurah to be machshir long chaf sofit since it goes below the line. However we must remember that all this works against a zayin that is even slightly to long.
and I think there's been some discussion here as to the variant opinions regarding a slightly long Zayin. Maybe someone can post a link here to that/those posts?
Did you cover the other letters?
ReplyDeleteN.b. those who fix tagin which are not connected properly (or touching slightly at the bottom) by adding a layer of Ink above the head must be very careful when doing this on a nun pshuta because it could extend the rosh enough to affect the proportions and create a problem of a big Zayn..
I didn't cover the rest
DeleteSame issue with a Zayin. Care must be taken if the top of the rosh will be extended to fix tagin as the regel needs to be more than maleh os ketana of its rosh
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DeleteI’d be curious to see a post of the different approaches to correcting tagin and the halachic מעלות וחסרונות of each.
DeleteThis nun is better than the one I posted recently, which while more or less had the initial appearance of a nun because it was longer than the rest of the ksav, it only had a leg of 2x the head even then one posek was machshir. The regel of this one looks like a Nun and seems to have around 2-3/4 kulmusin, in which case I'd not have asked a tinok (and think he can be ignored). Consult a moreh horaah, which should have been done in the first place if you had a shaila. (I confirmed with a moreh horaah that the tinok can be ignored.)
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't this a classic shealas tinok? It's a regel in between a zayin and nun?
DeleteThe regel of the nun looks a bit more than 2 1/2 kulmusim. Teorecly Would this be a nun rabosi would do be the correct proportion? If yes should that be enough reason to machshir this nun?
ReplyDeleteThis is not a classic case of ST. It's greater than 2-1/2 and hence is kosher as is. Yes, it looks to be a Nun rabosi and as the proportions are correct it's kosher and a tinok shouldn't have been asked and while he should ask his more horaah, my consultation with a moreh horaah concluded that the child be ignored.
ReplyDeleteSee גידולי הקדש סימן לב, ס״ק י״ג
ReplyDeleteanother point to add : even if it were to be only 2-1/2 kulmusim we can use the breicas hamayim brought down in mishnah brurah to be machshir long chaf sofit since it goes below the line.
ReplyDeleteHowever we must remember that all this works against a zayin that is even slightly to long.
and I think there's been some discussion here as to the variant opinions regarding a slightly long Zayin. Maybe someone can post a link here to that/those posts?
ReplyDeleteThis may have what you’re looking for
Deletehttp://theworldofstam.blogspot.com/2011/12/blog-post_12.html?m=1